Do not bring a promotion/relegation system into US soccer

By: Robert | July 28th, 2007

It’s the biggest difference between soccer here and football there, the lack of a promotion/relegation system in America. The good teams go up, the bad ones go down, it’s a part of seemingly every soccer league in the world except MLS and if top-flight soccer is going to continue to grow in the United States it had better not become a part of the game anytime soon.

Soccer purists across the country want it. A promotion/relegation system, they argue, fosters competition at not only the top, but also the bottom of the league table as teams’ fight all season for the precious points to keep them in the top-flight. Their idea boils down to a soccer version of “natural selection;” the best rise to the top and those teams and those players whom will have proven themselves in the most pressure filled environments possible will be best equipped to help team USA on an international level. And they might be right, but implementing such a system would break MLS and possibly push US soccer all the way back to 1980s levels.


Anytime people debate “natural selection” the counter-argument can be summarized by saying an all-knowing power made things the way they are for a reason and even though I’m not going to call US Soccer Federation (USSF) President Sunil Gulati, an all-knowing power, the analogy is apt. And before someone jumps down my throat with “But they do it in (wherever)” let’s look at the differences between the US and other major soccer regions across the globe. First, the largest countries in Europe, by land mass, pale in comparison to the state of Texas alone (267,000 sq. mi for Texas, 210,000 for France, 137,000 Germany, 195,000 Spain,) which means there are going to be many different travel and accommodation issues (go look at the price of gas to remind yourself how much) involved in operating a league on such a large geographic scale that don’t need to be addressed anywhere else in the world. In Brazil, a nation of comparable size, their league is broken down into states that are akin to the conference system of American collegiate sports, while in Argentina, another large country in size and soccer stature, almost every team is located within the greater metro Buenos Aires region thus negating many financial burdens of travel and lodging.

Another major difference between soccer here and football there is sociological in origin. We are a pluralistic sports society, in the metro Dallas area alone there is FC Dallas (MLS), the Texas Rangers (MLB), the Dallas Mavericks (NBA), the Dallas Stars (NHL), Terrell Owens (his own league) and the Dallas Cowboys (NFL). The comparative lack of enthusiasm for soccer in America is not because people don’t love the sport as many national sports columnists would have you believe, it’s because unlike other countries our attention is divided among multiple major sports and while you and your neighbor may be mortal enemies in one league, you can be best friends in another. It is this breadth of our sporting spectrum that makes the United States of America the pre-eminent sporting nation in the world and our fan experiences quite unique.

At the center of it all though soccer is just a different sport psychologically, and not because of the tactics or continuous run of play but because of the way we view the game in America. Football, Basketball and Baseball are games of adults watched by a room full of kids, but soccer is a game of kids played to a room filled with adults. And if sports truly allow us to recapture the days of our youth, then those “American” sports allow us to reclaim a collective memory of something we saw together, while soccer brings with it individualistic memories of something we did by ourselves. I remember less of being robbed of a game-winning grand slam in the district championship at age 13 than I do of Francisco Cabrera driving in Sid Bream in the ’92 NLCS. Yet with soccer I can still recount the red card given to Winston instead of me because the ref thought he said “I’ve seen better calls in golf” or almost fighting with some kids’ dad after scoring my sixth goal in a game when he called me a poor sport and I responded with “you can’t stop me, they can’t stop me, so sit down” or scoring a goal and celebrating by pretending to snort the goal line like it was coke and Brian rushing over to pick me up yelling “you can’t do that!” Add all those things up and I think it’s fair to say that what the USSF is trying to accomplish in America with MLS is quite unique.

But let me not forget the point at hand, a wise man once said the answers to all your questions is money; and that ability to not only create revenue but to hold on to already gained financial resources goes to the heart of reason why there is no promotion/relegation system in America. At a little over a decade old MLS is still a young sports league, a league in which only two teams have ever made a profit (FC Dallas, LA Galaxy.) The markets that have franchises have been selected (sometimes through trial and error) because of their size, importance, growth prospects and number of other local sports teams in the area. Many millions of television dollars ($7-8 million from ESPN/ABC, $5 from Fox Soccer Channel, $2-3 from HDNet) are going into making these markets successful. If for some reason South Carolina, for example, moved up to MLS after a successful campaign at a lower level, the TV people would immediately ask to renegotiate their contract for less money, money MLS is counting on to operate their business. I know TV deals aren’t renegotiated like that anywhere else in the world, but those leagues have a long history of success behind them, while the only history of soccer in America is the NASL, WSL, NPSL, ISL, NAFBL…(you get where I’m going with this, they all failed.) Those television companies have paid for those specific markets and MLS must deliver them those specific markets. This is not Europe where many teams exist in the same area. Can you imagine how ridiculous it would be to have our English cash cow, David Beckham, playing a game, for instance, in Wilmington, Delaware? Our league would be considered a joke and the lost revenue would run easily be into multiple tens of thousands of dollars just for one game.

What also needs to be remembered is that United Soccer League (USL) teams are not prepared to move up to MLS; just about every USL team loses money and unlike MLS the prospects of turning that around anytime soon aren’t good as they continue to promote the game instead of the event (if you want me to explain that point further just ask but I’m trying to shorten this post, it’s getting long.) It’s not a rare occurrence for a USL team to fold, go on hiatus or drop down to a lower level of play because of lower operational costs. This happens because the average USL game draws only 4,600 fans per game and while I’m sure I could turn this into a profit, competing against MLS teams would be out of the question (I don’t want to hear about the US Open Cup, winning one game does not mean you can compete on a regular basis.) The average USL stadium holds 5,000-10,000 people which might be enough to house the Kansas City Wizard fans (9,200) but that’s about it as the average MLS attendance is above 14,000 and while someone could argue that a move up to MLS would mean new revenue, most of these teams have built or are building soccer-specific “stadiums” already so there would be no new stadium revenue, only bigger deficits as they attempt deal with life in the top flight. By placing financially ill equipped teams into MLS based on record you ensure they suffer on the bottom line as they fail to meet the higher financial demands of a higher level of play. Combine that with what would happen to a MLS team that dropped down and you have a serious problem, one that would affect the long-term stability of the league.

If you ask yourself, what is the overarching purpose of MLS and the answer should be to raise the talent and profile of soccer in America. Now does showing a MLS game in a half-filled 5,000-person stadium really reflect well on the state of the American game? Would another David Beckham really cross the pond if he knew that’s where he’d play? Maybe one day in the future we can institute a promotion/relegation system but until then we need to remember that in Dallas we may want the FC to stand for “fierce competition,” but it needs to stand for “fiscal considerations.”

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  • Ian |  July 28th, 2007 at 8:16 am

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    I’m not going to disagree with you – I don’t think MLS is nearly ready for promotion / relegation, but I do think it should be an eventual goal. In order for it to work, though, you need two solid levels of football. Right now, we have about a half of one, and that is split between the leagues. Some of the top USL teams are arguably better, and surely have better fans, than some of the bottom MLS teams. In response to your argument about stadium sizes, fanbases, etc, most top-tier leagues have strict requirements for promotion. You don’t have to just win – you need to have a certain seating minimum, budget minimum, etc. If that were instituted strictly in the US, we’d be closer to the time when we can handle teams moving up and down.

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  • Brian |  July 28th, 2007 at 9:26 am

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    Don’t worry, MLS doesn’t have the balls to do relegation/promotion, and because of that, it will never happen. You’re lying to yourself if you think they’ll ever consider it.

    As for your argument, it’s complete rubbish. Natural selection? Such a concept would never fly in a capitalist country like our own. Wait a second…

    Travel? Are you having a laugh? You do know that travel costs within the US (and Canada) are considerably cheaper than anywhere else in the world, don’t you? On top of that, it’s tax deductible. It doesn’t seem to stop USL clubs from going from Seattle to Miami.

    The television contract renegotiation argument is just ridiculous. The only people who will EVER watch MLS on a regular basis are fans of soccer and don’t give a shit if it’s the Punxsutawney Groundhogs versus the Johnson City Bumfucks. They watch it for the sport and you’re not going to convert a non-fan unless they want to be converted. By the way, ‘your league’ is already a joke, so you’ve got nothing to lose.

    Okay, first you say only two MLS teams have turned a profit and then you use financial instability as a point that USL teams aren’t ready for top flight football? That makes a lot of sense. I’m willing to bet that Red Bull New York has lost more money than all the USL teams have ever.

    Stadium capacity is a joke as well, plenty of USL teams play in cities (Charlotte, Miami, Seattle, Baltimore, Richmond, etc) that have venues that are already bigger than a lot of MLS stadiums. And if they continue success and grow, a soccer specific stadium, which some already are, is only a few years away.

    Overall, your argument has more holes in it than a Die Hard movie plot. Your use of extreme examples (Argentina? South Carolina? Wilmington, Delaware?) is a poor attempt to spin the truth.

    You just don’t get it. Are you telling me people won’t go to or watch a meaningful match between two last place teams on the last day of the season? That sounds like a revenue generator to me. The bottom line is risk. And it’s not playing russian roulette with ‘the future of soccer’ in America, that’s basically the man hiding behind his kids argument. The truth is that the people who own and run MLS would rather make a penny than risk it. It’s pathetic and will continue to be one of the many shackles that keeps the sport from growing in this country.

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  • Paulo |  July 28th, 2007 at 10:53 am

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    Robert, your article was great.
    Yet there´s something that I don’t get : if there´s an enphasis on the promotion of the event, why not think seriously on accepting the Impact Montreal into the MSL? They’re from Quebec , the french speaking province, and a match Impact Montreal versus Toronto FC has the potential to become huge, since rivalry sells (and Montreal is already culturally a rival to Toronto).
    There’s also the potential of more rivalry between American and Canadian Teams.
    Rivalry , when confined to sports events (a higher level of security should obviouslly be applied to prevent it from getting out of hand) is a great thing.
    I also believe that there should be an MSL second division – maybe confined to a certain area , like teams competing on the East Coast , other teams on the West Coast and the champions facing each other.
    There is room to grow.

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  • Sam |  July 28th, 2007 at 12:05 pm

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    Sorry, I don’t have time to read your whole article just yet, but I will say this: I want promotion and relegation. Of course we’ll have to wait at least ten years or so, maybe till the MLS has twenty teams or so, but the thing is, the lower leagues aren’t structured like they are elsewhere, and people would be very confused by the idea. So not yet, but we’ll see.

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  • Nolan |  July 28th, 2007 at 12:20 pm

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    I agree MLS isn’t ready for it but I do think it should be a definite goal if MLS wants to be taken seriously. And I would love to see the Montreal Impact play in the MLS. Bringing the Montreal/Toronto rivalry to MLS would be the best thing to happen to Canadian soccer even if it won’t ever likely reach the Leafs/Canadiens level.

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  • T |  July 28th, 2007 at 1:14 pm

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    Did you write this whole article just so you could relive your sporting days as a kid? Does your argument really need to mention your Little League achievements or how many goals you scored when you were 13?

    Anyway, your argument doesn’t stand up. The MLS may not “be ready for it” right now, but it’s better to get it started while the league is still young and growing rather than try to change it when it’s big and booming.

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  • Daryl |  July 28th, 2007 at 2:10 pm

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    The travel argument is definitely valid. Take the Richmond Kickers for example. They were a competitive team in USL 1, but couldn’t afford to keep visiting the West Coast and so voluntarily relegated themselves to USL 2, which is mostly East Coast teams. You need to realize that the budgets of USL teams are pretty small.

    That said, I’d still love to see promotion/relegation at some point, just for the entertainment factor. What about a sort of hybrid approach where you split a (hopefully) 16 team MLS into two divisions? MLS 1 and MLS 2, with promotion and relegation between the two.

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  • Ian |  July 29th, 2007 at 2:09 am

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    I like Daryl’s idea. Take a larger MLS (I would say shoot for 18 or 20), and once its grown a bit, reached certain goals, make one season all about the split. The top half of teams that season start the next in MLS 1, the bottom half in MLS 2. It would be a great promotional tool for that season, and give a way to ease the US into a promotion / relegation system. I think that’s the way to go.

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  • Steve |  July 29th, 2007 at 12:30 pm

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    Good article. Before promotion relegation would even become a possibility, MLS would have to:
    1 – expand to 20 teams and become much more profitable on its own (12-20 years)
    2 – buy out the USL (a couple years after #1, or maybe before if it disintegrates and can be bought cheaply)
    3 – guiding the now MLS-2 teams to greater profitability, larger stadiums, bigger bonuses for champions and higher salaries (4-8 years)
    4 – get the owners to sign off on the possibility of their teams becoming far less profitable through relegation (possibly never)
    So, based upon my wild estimates, “soccer purists” are obsessing over a side issue that is 16-30 years down the road, and may never happen. As incredible as it is for other leagues pro/rel is not a vital part of soccer. MLS should focus on other incentives to make the regular season count more, because the current system is a joke. Superliga qualification is a good first step. Less teams in the playoffs and large reward for the Supporter’s Shield and other top reg season teams would be a great things to do going forward.

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  • Bruno Romani |  July 29th, 2007 at 7:42 pm

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    just a correction.

    brazil breaks into states for only 3 months in the season just bc there are lots of teams there. And these are state leagues, which have nothing to do with the Brazilian league. later on, the league has 3 divisions, with teams travelling all over the country.

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  • Zack |  July 31st, 2007 at 8:16 am

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    @ brian:

    your criticisms of robert’s points are just as simplistic as the points themselves (if only because they are a re-hash of ideas that have been floating around since the league’s inception). apart from the sarcastic tone, all you have going for your comments is that you take the opposite standpoint and say, “he’s wrong, the moron, and i’m right.”

    as well, there’s the failure to comment on his most salient point: the expanse of the sporting competition. since you failed to comment on it, i would guess that the only reason you didn’t is because it would ruin the overall tone of your post. what sort of competition does the Premier League have within England? the Rugby League? test cricket? please. even ice hockey has a better draw than the MLS, and there are many saying that the NHL is in a crisis. baseball is even starting to have the same problem outside of traditional powerhouses.

    you seem unwilling to even make the intellectual effort to understand a system outside of that which affects your beloved liverpool, as fine a franchise as has ever been ruined by tom hicks. you just don’t seem to get it, so i would advise staying with focusing your narrow mind on that. i’m glad that some of the commenters that followed you had the sense to think about the topic.

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  • Scott |  July 31st, 2007 at 11:48 pm

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    Promotion and relegation will have to happen eventually, if MLS wants to grow past about 18 teams—I don’t think FIFA will give us any derogations to the 18-team limit. After that point, MLS and USL will have to merge, but I think with Garber at the helm it could be made to work.

    A 34-club MLS could work out nicely with an 18-team top division, a 16-team lower division split in two 8-team halves to play a 28-match schedule, and qualifying 24 teams for the MLS Cup. (You might ask why the MLS Cup would be so large; the MLS Cup would by this time be largely considered a post-season league cup, not the championship; that instead would be the Supporters’ Shield.)

    Another reason promotion and relegation will have to come in: the purists demand it, and it would behoove MLS to win over the people who are already soccer fans but not MLS fans. Right now I think MLS is the third most popular soccer league in the US, after the EPL and the LMF. That needs to change.

    MLS is not going to succeed in the long term by “Americanizing” soccer, but more by staying true—to some extent—to the way things are done everywhere else.

    MLS will more likely succeed by soccer-izing Americans.

    Here’s a thought: MLS could split into parallel (not vertical) divisions, and have an end-of-season championship playoff between the winning teams. The parallel divisions could still be nationwide; call one the MLS National League, and the other the MLS American League. It’s been done before—in baseball. From 1901 to 1968, there were two parallel, single-table leagues, with each time playing the other seven in its league 22 times for 154 games (changed to 9 x 18 = 162 in the AL in 1961 and the NL in 1962), with the two winners playing a best-of-7 series for the overall title. Things only got screwed up after the major leagues decided to split geographically in 1969, and I take for an example the NL in 1993: the third-best team (Philly) ended up winning the pennant because the second-best team (the Giants) were in the same division (the West) as the best team (the Braves), and then the Phillies won the pennant playoff.

    One thing that’s been missing from American sports for a long time (almost 40 years) is the elegance of having a season-long competition where each team plays the others the exact same number of times, so there’s less question about which is the best. The NFL will never have that sort of schedule again, and I don’t think ever had except for 1960, when a 13th team (the Dallas Cowboys) came in and every team played each other once.

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  • Brian |  August 1st, 2007 at 3:50 pm

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    Zack,

    You ever hear of the term ‘Ad Hominem’. I didn’t say anything about Robert. I focused on his argument. You, on the other hand, just attacked me. Good job, way to prove your point.

    The expanse of the sporting competition? YOU just don’t get. We already more youth in the US playing soccer than any other sport. The real focus is on why that doesn’t translate into adulthood. It probably has to do with how it’s marketed more than anything.

    Yeah, promotion and relegation is such a hard thing to grasp, way to expound on that, Socrates. Nice cheap shot on our American owners, wow, your intellectualism is blowing me away. What? Don’t like your own medicine thrown back in your face? Well, learn how to read, analyze, and argue.

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  • Angus Gordon-Farleigh |  March 23rd, 2008 at 3:03 pm

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    The biggest problem with association football (soccer) in the USA is that it always tends to be viewed from the top-down, rather than from the bottom-up.

    That’s just how it has had to be and implies no undue criticism and is in fact more to do with the American treditional richesse of other professional and popular sporting activities – where good old soccer has had to play catchee-uppee !

    Nevertheless, it is a problem that will require resolution before there can ever be any kind of successful League Pyramid created in the country and thereby incorporate a ‘proper’ promotion and relegation system.

    One must simply glance Westward across the Pacific to see how the situation may be correctly progressed – to the JFL & J-League in The Land of the Rising Sun, which has been slowly developing a proper League System over the last 40-odd years, which is only now beginning to mature.
    That others replying have already identified that there needs to be a lengthy maturation process is telling… yet none have attacked the problem at its obvious root – the ‘community clubs’ !

    By the term ‘community club’, I refer to those little tiny teams operating pretty much at County-level or maybe at a level where a given State might contain several regional parallel competitions, each covering a few to many Counties perhaps.
    It is these teams which need creation, shepherding, development and nurturing – that will eventually in forty or fifty years’ time be the teams which will ‘make the grade’ in terms of promotability – perhaps alongside a small number of current MLS/USL/etc. teams who might survive the timespan themselves.

    Lets get this straight… this is going to be a long-term package and it will not allow anyone to make themselves a fortune or be likely anything resemblant of fiscally sensibility ! It will be something done simply for the love of a community, the love of a particular sporting activity and the love of a particular team.
    It will eat dollars like there’s no tomorrow and very many such projects will likely go tits-up sooner or later… but one or two, maybe with some superior public relations and/or financial prudence may just survive.

    So, a national system of small Leagues should be organised, with teams representing small communities, suburbs of larger Cities, representative of medium and large businesses and so on.
    Once these have been set up and are running well – again with sensible and prudent administration, then promotions may be entertained – to newly created Divisions into which those teams from the very most basic levels can aspire toward and which might assimilate the geographical region ‘footprints’ of several of those which now become ‘feeder Leagues’.

    It is at this point, with successful basic Leagues and then a superior level of Division to aspire to, where the concept of promotion &/or relegation may begin to come into its own.
    Teams are not going to ‘break the bank’ with this system, unless they were so mismanaged that they would have broken it anyhow – and there will still be a few of those, mark my words !

    Assuming that it takes about five years to properly establish Leagues at each level, we will have spent ten years so far and now thoughts may begin turning toward the provision of a third level of competition, where each of these Divisions would encompass the footprints of several of the second-tier Leagues.
    I imagine that this tertiary level would effectively form State Leagues in the smallest of States – although throughout this process, both population density and geographic spread should be factorised into the equation determining the exact breakdown of League extents across the regions. Less populous areas would naturally lead to Leagues of greater spread, whilst more populous areas would likely lead to a greater team-density at a given level.

    An initial ‘rule of thumb’ perhaps for size of League footprint at these levels might be 100×100 km at the basic level, 200×200 km at secondary & 400×400 km at tertiary levels – In all honesty, I don’t know how this would translate onto actual States/Counties thereof, but it gives a ‘gist’ and is ultimately malleable on a ‘horses for courses’ basis.

    It is of the utmost importance that each successive level be fully stabilised in each region before progressing to ever higher levels, but as soon as that tertiary level be so organised, then a quaternary level may be countenanced – and here, in all but the very largest States, I imagine that we will now be talking a ‘State League’ proper level which would now absorb and complement the (currently) existent USASA level(s)(which for convenience we shall refer to as USASA-level from hereon).

    Maybe Texas/California and one or two other USASA-level Leagues would need two or more parallel Divisions, but pretty much most others would consist of single Statewide competitions plus probably a few tournaments comprising the cream of several smaller, juxtaposed States.
    On average, we’d now be talking approximately 40-60 actual Leagues at this level and I’d full well expect the established Varsity teams to perhaps be absorbed into the system at this kind of level.

    We have now built up from the bottom to what is generally regarded as being the (present) Fifth-Level of US soccer and I’d anticipate that we’d now have a thousand or so teams naturally existing at this level (I may stand to be corrected numbers-wise !.

    From this ‘resource’ we may now contemplate the allowance of some teams to climb upward once more – with relegation possibilities only following upon the successful introduction of promotion to these heady heights in the first place.

    The PDL, the NPSL & the PCSL comprise (currently) some 100 or so teams and this number might eventually be doubled or even trebled by the accession of new teams to the fold from the new USASA level.
    This would allow for approximately twenty Super-Regional Divisions to now be formed and once these have established themselves further promotion into the USL would be possible.

    New USL at two levels would sensibly divide the US into 8 & 4 Regions, taking on board 120+ teams at least and again, allowing for natural wastage, promotion and relegation beneath the new USL would stabilise the competition before the final piece is emplaced… the long-awaited inclusion of the MSL.

    The sensible way to progress this would be to create a Second Division for the MSL through promotion from the USL topmost Divisions, although by this time, seperate top-down activity over the extended time period in discussion may very well have already produced this step.
    This MSL 2nd. Division would be in two Regions – either N/S or more likely E/W and these parallel Divisions would then provide new teams for the MSL Division One.

    And there one has it. Many years, but steady progress… and always providing upward mobility and all that ensues, rather than attempting to build from the top where only downward mobility may be guaranteed.

    Its all a question of philosophy !

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  • James |  March 23rd, 2008 at 3:50 pm

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    The argument is significantly weakened by some clear mistakes and some glaring omissions, which had they been included, would have contradicted the other evidence provided. The mistake was regarding Brazil, which actually has two national divisions, Serie A and B. The glaring omission was Russia, which also has two leagues played at the national level, and includes one team from Vladivostok, thousands of miles from Moscow and St Petersburg. The Russian second division operates successfully with 22 clubs, without massive attendances (the average in 2007 was under 5,000), so the size of the country is clearly not a barrier.

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  • 3-1-5-1 |  March 23rd, 2008 at 3:53 pm

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    I think you’ll find that Brazil has two national divisions with automatic promotion and relegation.

    The State Championships are entirely separate, run by the local Football Associations, although clubs can qualify for the Brazilian Cup through this system.

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